general eula question

Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

I was 80% sure that this was the answer, although I was unaware of the Office exception. Logically, Streets & Trips should also have the same stipulations, but what do I know.
So let's see, $350 for Vista Ultimatum, $500 for sundry extras...
May as well buy a new computer in June, huh...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).

I figure to do that also. That way I don't run into device driver issues and get a cpu and mobo that support virtualization in hardware. You would have interests of your own that would lead you in that direction. Fighting these issues in a beta test is one thing but when I am ready to use Vista for real I want everything professionally set up for me with guarantees and support.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

I was 80% sure that this was the answer, although I was unaware of the Office exception. Logically, Streets & Trips should also have the same stipulations, but what do I know.
So let's see, $350 for Vista Ultimatum, $500 for sundry extras...
May as well buy a new computer in June, huh...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:12:01 -0400, "Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote:

Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

Only in violation of an unsigned agreement. No laws were broken. -- Michael Cecil http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/ http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/

Are you suggesting he said anything about breaking laws? He asked about violating a EULA.
"Michael Cecil" wrote in message

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:12:01 -0400, "Mark D. VandenBerg" mvan103@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?
Only in violation of an unsigned agreement. No laws were broken. -- Michael Cecil http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/ http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/

It's the support issue, for me. I dare you to call (insert discount computer reseller here) and ask them about supporting a different O/S than what was OE. I don't need the hassle and the warranty issues. Gateway won't even support XP x64 on a machine with a 64-bit chip!
Alienware and Voodoo are looking good, right about now...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message I figure to do that also. That way I don't run into device driver issues and get a cpu and mobo that support virtualization in hardware. You would have interests of your own that would lead you in that direction. Fighting these issues in a beta test is one thing but when I am ready to use Vista for real I want everything professionally set up for me with guarantees and support.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

I was 80% sure that this was the answer, although I was unaware of the Office exception. Logically, Streets & Trips should also have the same stipulations, but what do I know.
So let's see, $350 for Vista Ultimatum, $500 for sundry extras...
May as well buy a new computer in June, huh...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).

Consider CyberPower also. That's where I got my XP Pro x64 based computer. I got pretty good phone support.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

It's the support issue, for me. I dare you to call (insert discount computer reseller here) and ask them about supporting a different O/S than what was OE. I don't need the hassle and the warranty issues. Gateway won't even support XP x64 on a machine with a 64-bit chip!
Alienware and Voodoo are looking good, right about now...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message I figure to do that also. That way I don't run into device driver issues and get a cpu and mobo that support virtualization in hardware. You would have interests of your own that would lead you in that direction. Fighting these issues in a beta test is one thing but when I am ready to use Vista for real I want everything professionally set up for me with guarantees and support.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message I was 80% sure that this was the answer, although I was unaware of the Office exception. Logically, Streets & Trips should also have the same stipulations, but what do I know.
So let's see, $350 for Vista Ultimatum, $500 for sundry extras...
May as well buy a new computer in June, huh...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).

I am not sure that this is correct. Colin, when you install something on VPC and on your HOST OS, you most often will have both OS's running at the same time, whereas in a dual boot configuration, you will NEVER have them both running at once.
I think it is more like OEM software where it is bios locked to the actual machine...so you could run as many different installs(since they would never be running at the same time)
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

Trust me on this. Each instance, running or not, requires licensing. The only "inherited" license I have seen is in the EULA for Windows 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition where, if 2003 R2 EE is the host, the license also covers up to four more instances of 2003 R2 EE in virtual machines on the same box. All on the one license.
The XP EULA does not allow for a second installation and activation on ANY computer, and that includes the same computer.
SLA (bios locked) is an alternative to activation used by system builders. I have never seen an SLA copy of Windows on physical media. I don't even know if they exist.
"Zapper" wrote in message

I am not sure that this is correct. Colin, when you install something on VPC and on your HOST OS, you most often will have both OS's running at the same time, whereas in a dual boot configuration, you will NEVER have them both running at once.
I think it is more like OEM software where it is bios locked to the actual machine...so you could run as many different installs(since they would never be running at the same time)
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

That's kinda where my 20% fell, because of the EULA for Money, as an example.
"1. USE RIGHTS. Installation and Use If you comply with this agreement, you may, for each license you acquire: .. Install and use one copy of the software on one personal computer or other device. You may install multiple copies of the software on one device, provided that you have a license for each copy. A license for the software may not be shared or used concurrently on different personal computers or devices."
If I read this correctly, I can install Money 2005 in multiples on the same device only if I have multiple licenses or a group license. And this also does include a provision for a secondary installation and use on a "portable device," providing I am the main user of said portable device.
So, if I am dual-booting on a laptop, it really gets muddy!
"Zapper" wrote in message I am not sure that this is correct. Colin, when you install something on VPC and on your HOST OS, you most often will have both OS's running at the same time, whereas in a dual boot configuration, you will NEVER have them both running at once.
I think it is more like OEM software where it is bios locked to the actual machine...so you could run as many different installs(since they would never be running at the same time)

The laptop? That particular "portable device" happens to qualify as a computer. I think they have in mind devices that use Windows CE, smartphones, and such.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

That's kinda where my 20% fell, because of the EULA for Money, as an example.
"1. USE RIGHTS. Installation and Use If you comply with this agreement, you may, for each license you acquire: . Install and use one copy of the software on one personal computer or other device. You may install multiple copies of the software on one device, provided that you have a license for each copy. A license for the software may not be shared or used concurrently on different personal computers or devices."
If I read this correctly, I can install Money 2005 in multiples on the same device only if I have multiple licenses or a group license. And this also does include a provision for a secondary installation and use on a "portable device," providing I am the main user of said portable device.
So, if I am dual-booting on a laptop, it really gets muddy!
"Zapper" wrote in message I am not sure that this is correct. Colin, when you install something on VPC and on your HOST OS, you most often will have both OS's running at the same time, whereas in a dual boot configuration, you will NEVER have them both running at once.
I think it is more like OEM software where it is bios locked to the actual machine...so you could run as many different installs(since they would never be running at the same time)

Oh, so now we're going to get all Clintonian! "What is the definition of..."
:)
BTW did you read how I fixed the AC'97 sound card issue on the laptop? Rather ah, creative of me, I thought.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message The laptop? That particular "portable device" happens to qualify as a computer. I think they have in mind devices that use Windows CE, smartphones, and such.

If eBay can sell "IT" then Bill can sell "IS".
What is the subject line?
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

Oh, so now we're going to get all Clintonian! "What is the definition of..."
:)
BTW did you read how I fixed the AC'97 sound card issue on the laptop? Rather ah, creative of me, I thought.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message The laptop? That particular "portable device" happens to qualify as a computer. I think they have in mind devices that use Windows CE, smartphones, and such.

Conexant AC97 Laptop Workaround
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message If eBay can sell "IT" then Bill can sell "IS".
What is the subject line?

It is not practical for Microsoft to prosecute you. Cost them more for lawyer fees.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

Date? Or paste me an email. For the life of me I can't find it.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

Conexant AC97 Laptop Workaround
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message If eBay can sell "IT" then Bill can sell "IS".
What is the subject line?

Actually, the reason is that it is considered "casual copying". They do not prosecute that. They prosecute cases involving piracy in the sense of providing copies to others.
"Mario Rosario" wrote in message

It is not practical for Microsoft to prosecute you. Cost them more for lawyer fees.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

I agree with that. I got a dozen or so computers just for my use. From upgrades.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Actually, the reason is that it is considered "casual copying". They do not prosecute that. They prosecute cases involving piracy in the sense of providing copies to others.
"Mario Rosario" wrote in message It is not practical for Microsoft to prosecute you. Cost them more for lawyer fees.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message Hypothetically, come January, or June or whenever, and I trundle down to CompUSA and buy my boxed copy of Vista (insert superlative here), and decide to continue dual-booting because Vista will not support my favorite shirt-ironing program, if I install other MSFT products such as Office or Money on both sides, am I in violation of the EULA for that product even though they are physically on the same machine?

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Date? Or paste me an email. For the life of me I can't find it.
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices&tid=606a0e38-d15f-47e1-802e-ddd1eb9b57d3&cat=&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us&m=1&p=1

I remember that one now. That is a neat workaround. I thought so when I first read it. Good job!
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Date? Or paste me an email. For the life of me I can't find it.
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices&tid=606a0e38-d15f-47e1-802e-ddd1eb9b57d3&cat=&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us&m=1&p=1

Dell now owns Alienware, just in case you didn't know :-).
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message

It's the support issue, for me. I dare you to call (insert discount computer reseller here) and ask them about supporting a different O/S than what was OE. I don't need the hassle and the warranty issues. Gateway won't even support XP x64 on a machine with a 64-bit chip!
Alienware and Voodoo are looking good, right about now...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message I figure to do that also. That way I don't run into device driver issues and get a cpu and mobo that support virtualization in hardware. You would have interests of your own that would lead you in that direction. Fighting these issues in a beta test is one thing but when I am ready to use Vista for real I want everything professionally set up for me with guarantees and support.
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message I was 80% sure that this was the answer, although I was unaware of the Office exception. Logically, Streets & Trips should also have the same stipulations, but what do I know.
So let's see, $350 for Vista Ultimatum, $500 for sundry extras...
May as well buy a new computer in June, huh...
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes. This is also a common question about installing the same MS products on a virtual machine in VPC as are installed on the host computer.
Office is the only consumer product that permits the user to install the product on two computers, one a desktop and one a notebook, on the same licesnse (on condition that they are not generally used at the same time).
The physical box is not the issue. Each installed OS is an instance of a computer so you can have many computers on the same box. Even though only one of them can run at a time.
It would be the same if you used the same license to install XP on your computer twice (on different partitions of course).

Oh, I know, and I'm probably not going to head that way. Dynamism is showing some nice stuff, too, but I am wary of the support for grey-market products.
"Tom" wrote in message Dell now owns Alienware, just in case you didn't know :-).